Firstly, these are transparent procedures, in which anyone can see and verify the information anytime and anywhere, so that the voice of the people is not suppressed. But if for any reason, anyone wants to make a complaint or support some person in a secret manner, other options are also available. These procedures are only proposed as a alternative transparent way, the secret way will also will be available.

 

                    And What is secret these days? You credit card statement is know to Govt. Your bank statement is know to Govt. When you file complaint in police, courts etc. all names are disclosed. If nothing happens after all these information being... public or semi-public, what can publishing approvals do?

 

                    In some of procedures I have proposed at local level, such replacement of District Police Chief, confidentiality is there. In the replacement procedures I proposed for PM, CM replacement, there is NO confidentiality. I have also drafted a confidential version - the cost is higher but cost on govt and voter is zero, I will later post it here. But does lack of confidentiality do any harm when replacing PM? No, it does not.

 

                    1. In the procedure I proposed, replacement will happen if over 24 cr citizens have approved a person. To force 24 cr citizens, an Army of 10,00,00 and police of 15,00,000 will fall short. And policemen and soldiers are not going to agree to do this. So the leader would need about 50,00,000 private criminals to force 24 cr citizens. No one in world can create a gang of even 5000 criminals. When gang size reaches that high, the person has to become pro-citizen, and cant afford to be anti-citizen. In case you have noticed, the criminals try to victimize new-rich and only a handful of commons, the criminals never dare to victimize established rich or a large number of commons --- it simply does not work out. So the fear that someone will manage to force even 1 cr voters, forget 24 cr voters, is too unrealistic.

 

                    2. The citizens can file/cancel approvals any day. So the gangleader will have to put gangmen around Talati's (Village Officer) office everyday. Election comes once in 5 years. So you may put 2-5 gang men at booth for a day, But putting gangmen to stop EVERYDAY is not viable. Also, in later versions of the procedure, the person can file his approval at Talati's (Village Officer) office, Tahsil office, Collector's office, Post Offices. No gang leader is strong enough to block citizens from visiting all these places throughout the year.

 

                    3. The feudal system you mentions will fall apart when a 2% to 4% wealth tax on land above 5 acre per family members comes and an inheritance tax of 35% over Rs 1 cr comes. Next, when citizens get procedures to expel District Police Chief (which is confidential) and SC-Cj, HC-Cj, District Chief judges etc, these officials will have no options but to beat the cr1p out of criminals. So all these feudal lords will vanish within 3 months after recall procedures arrive.

 

                    4. And finally, please note that the procedures I have proposed become law via FIRST proposed law aka Citizens Voice-`Transparent Complaint/Proposal procedure` law. So if people think that open voting is bad, then `Transparent Complaint/Proposal procedure` law will ensure that open voting based procedure to replace PM will not get enacted and instead the procedure which uses confidential voting might come. IOW, my point is, the MTMT law is filter against all "bad" proposals.

                    The website will be the most protected website, stronger than of any bank. If a hacker can hack this website, he will have to hack crores of accounts and the risk is lot in this case and benefit not much. Such hacker would rather hack some bank website where risk to be caught is less and gains much more.

Please see the procedure. the hacker changes the code or whatever, this website will be watched by crores of people. Say in RTR-PM , the approvals for say ,Swami ji as PM are cancelled, then the supporters of Swami Ramdev will come to know ...by net ( and later by SMS, passbooks, etc) that their approval status is changed. And other people can also see such drastic change in support and the hacker will be most probably be caught. Since this website is visible to crores of people. So, this risk is not worth it for the hacker. He would rather hack a bank website where the number of people watching that site are less and so chances of getting caught is less and gains much more. And say the hacker cancels the approval of Swami ji, even then the supporters of Swami ji can renew their approvals, so all efforts of hacker goes waste. No hacker is that stupid to hack with this safeguard`Any citizen can change/cancel their approvals any day.`

 

                    Another thing is that there will be sufficient backup on three-four servers, at the time the complaint is given to collector or YES/NO given at patwari (Village Officer) office. | Only the local server has facility to write the data and every local server will be protected by password. From the local server, data will go to the Central server and other backup servers but they will have only read facility, data cannot be erased and re-writtten.

 

                    So, the hacker will be frustrated as there will be not ANY loss of data if there is proper backup, which will be likely the case.

 

                    In TCP, complaint is scanned at Collector's office in front of complainer, and within seconds, several copies come in dozens of servers such as servers of Collector's office, CM's office, PM's office, etc.and within minutes, several copies will come on servers of Google, FB etc.

 

                    Now one system admin or PM can delete copy on his server. But that will leave an unused serial number or he will have to decrease serial number of several complaints by 1 or he will have to replace deleted complaint by something else. In any case, PM's server will mismatch with servers of collector, CM etc.

 

                    So to temper/delete complaint and remain uncaught, one will need to temper too much of data in too many servers. To do so and not get noticed by thousands of people is as difficult as impossible. If one can do this, he will better rob a bank's server.

 

                    Approval filing is safer that bank transaction : Not just the person walks to Talati’s (Village Officer) office to file approval, he gets SMS feedback similar to credit card usage and the equipment will take his pix and finger print. Of course, on day-one, these features wont be available, but any Collector can implement them in 3 to 6 months or else citizens should demand his expulsion. With picture, finger print and SMS feedback, the system is safer than bank transaction. If someone can hack this system, he will rather hack a backing system.

                    NO. Because there is a safeguard that` Any voter can change his/her approval or Yes/No by going to the patwari (Village Officer) office and giving Rs.3`. These procedures will override the media`s influence as they themselves are a alternate media giving verifiable and always visible information about the complaint, candidates for PM etc and their supporters. The people will rely more on the complaint supported by lakhs of people rather than any media reports. And any media or goons used as a influence cost money and their use cannot be continued for long. As soon as their influence finishes, the person even if influenced by them, will be able to change his/her approval and all the effort to influence via media or goons will go to waste.

 

                    In RTR-Lokpal (or almost any RTR procedures I have proposed), the citizen can file/change approval by paying Rs 3 fee at Patwari (Village Officer) officer any day. So one would need goons everyday . And to stop 37 crore people or even 5 cr people, one needs lakhs or goons. No one has so many goons, and no one can hire so many goons for days and weeks. Even if PM manages to use entire police force of 15,00,000 , he will not be able to stop so many commons.

                    In the absence of procedures by which we can verify the information, the media and also other people gives false information and we can not prove or disprove things that ` Trusts and people sell their votes`

 

Common people are stupid, useless, violent, casteist, etc."

 

                    Now, until we get procedure like Transparent Complaint / Proposal procedure, there are some rough methods, we can use to verify the information.

 

                    Before contemplating on persons we cannot reach, we should find and investigate the facts from the persons around us, whom we can reach easily like YOURSELF, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR RELATIVES and then people around you in your locality.

 

                    And apply the results for you, your friends , your relatives for other citizens of the country. They are no different than your society.

 

Take some examples-

 

                    1) Media says that `People sell their votes` but no one has given any proof for that. So, first have you sold your vote ? Then ask your relatives and friends this question. Then ask the people around you this question , whether they THEMSELVES have sold their vote ? And remembering that vote is secret, can they give any proof, if they claim that they have sold their vote or if any trust claims that it has sold the votes of trustees ?

 

                   2) Media often says that common man is stupid, violent, cannot make decisions, etc.

 

                    Ask whether this applies to you, next ask whether this applies to your relatives and friends. Lastly investigate whether this applies to people around you.

 

                    3) While we respect your work for your organization, we would like to tell a method by which you can verify that your leader/organization is known amongst the masses or not.

 

                    Media might tell that there such and such leader/organization has so many crores of supporters, even the supporters may exaggerate.

 

                    When transparent complaint/proposal procedure will come, these type of informations with their verifications can be obtained easily because any one can put this information by going to the collector office and other people can support that by going to the village officer office.

 

And all this information will be verified since the supporters voter id details and finger print scans will be taken.

 

                    But , in the absence of Transparent complaint/proposal procedure, what rough method can be employed to know whether a leader or organization is known amongst the masses or not.

 

                    Now, 70-80% of the people of the country do not have access to a newspaper or t.v.So, they are not influenced directly by media.

 

                    So, I suggest this method to know whether a leader/organization is known amongst masses or not-

 

Choose five people who do not read newspapers or see TV in your locality and ask them the following questions (these are sample , you can make up your own questions also)-

 

1) What is Bharat Swabhiman Trust?

 

2) Who is Baba Ramdev?

 

3) What is India against Corruption ?

 

4) Who is Anna Hazare ?

 

5) Who is Indira Gandhi ?

 

6) What is Janlokpal bill ?

 

7) What is black money ?

 

8) Where is black money ?

 

9) How can we get back black money?

 

10) Who is laloo yadav ?

 

Please ask these and similar questions and as a feedback , please write your area here so that others can cross-verify.

                   Caste and religion etc. bias is exagerated by the politicians via the media. If you investigate about it among your friends and relatives, you will find it is not that much. And Caste, religion and other biases, are more when the number of people participating are less. In these procedures, lakhs and crores of people can participate, so the caste, religion biases , even if there will cancel out and so these procedures actually reduce any type of bias.

 

How biases- caste, favoritism, nepotism, religion etc. decrease with democratic procedures

Please note that bias is natural in humans but our systems can be made unbiased.

 

A. The factors which determine whether bias comes into play or not are:

 

1. Comparative Goodness or badness of the available choices:

 

Although 95% people may say they are not biased, but if the choices are equally bad or good, bias does come into play.

 

                    Say you have to eat outside and all the hotels are equally bad and one of them is that of your relative, you will prefer the hotel of your relative, thinking that maybe the relative will give special treatment and give good food. But if a hotel of a non-relative is much better than the rest and of the hotel of the relative  , naturally people will prefer that .

 

The same situation can be applied to voting, selection of CM, PM by the MPs/MLAs, selection of employees, selection of judges, etc.

 

2. Bias increases with the increase in discretionary power of the electing or selecting person and opportunity to form nexuses:

 

                     If the selecting/electing person has more discretionary powers and opportunity to form nexuses , they are more likely to display their bias.

 

                    A chief minister will be able to display more bias by selecting his/her favorites, caste, relatives compared to a common citizen who does not have much discretionary power.

 

                    Supreme Court Judge will ask minister to recommend his/her relative for post of public prosecutor while minister will ask the SC judge to favor his/her relatives in cases which are in courts of the SC judge or his/her friends.

 

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                    Always FIRST start with the present systems. If you see present system, you will see that the public servants have their interests. And people choose those servants whose interests is not against the interests of the masses.

 

B. In oligarchic procedures, the masses cannot counter the biases of the top few and the top few gang up and loot the masses.

 

                    This was the case of the present oligarchic, undemocratic procedures, which unfortunately we have today.

 

                    Now , in democratic procedures, also there is the same bias and interests , BUT the BIASES CANCEL OUT AND THE INTERESTS WHICH ARE COMMON ARE HIGHLIGHTED and implemented. Those interests which are not against the interests of the masses.

 

                    If the public authority like CM, PM is biased favoring his/her relatives, friends, the masses who suffer will gang up against that biased person and replace that person with a unbiased person. So, in democratic procedures, the top few will not be able to loot the masses.

 

                    On a small scale, you can understand democracy of a family. The family members tell their interests and the head takes the decision according to the interests of the family members majority. Similar is a democratic system in the country.

 

C. Issue of National Interest:

 

                    In reality, there is NO case where something will benefit big chunk of population and harm national interest .

 

                    If someone claims so, he should refer to a particular draft like TCP, RTR-DEO, RTR-PM, etc and give the scenario how these democratic drafts will go end up hurting national interest. He will give scenarios, and one by one you need to rule them out as logistically infeasible. That way, he or at least audience, can be convinced that these democratic procedures are good.

 

                    And please note that the counts of the opinions of the common citizens will be not binding on the authorities, so the public authorities can in extraordinary circumstances take decisions which are contrary to the opinions of the masses but in interest of the country.

 

                    This happens even today, but today, there is no way the public authorities can know about the opinions of the citizens and most likely the decisions will be deliberately or undeliberately, be anti-commons, against the masses.

 

                    So, proposed democratic procedures reduce biases while oligarchic procedures of today exaggerate the biases.

 

D. What we activists should do:

 

Please see some proposed democratic procedures like Transparent Complaint Procedure (TCP), Right to Recall-PM, Right to recall-CM, Right to Recall-Judges, Jury system, etc in chapters 1,6,7,21 of www.righttorecall.info/301.pdf

 

Please promote and demand these procedures by putting these procedures in your wall notes if you really want to reduce bias in our systems.

 

Please comment giving the full situation, citing the alternatives  or choices to a individual while electing/selecting.

 

                    Now, if a hindu voter votes for a hindu candidate or a hindu person selects a  hindu candidate, it is wrong to call him/her biased that he/she did not vote for/select the muslim candidate. We have to see whether the muslim candidate was much better and unbiased compared to the hindu candidate whom the voter preferred or the muslim candidate was equally bad or equally good compared to the hindu candidate.

 

E. Special case of First Past the Pole system, that is one person can give vote to one person:

 

                    In first past the pole system existing in our country, a person can give vote to a single candidate and the candidate who wins by even one vote is declared the winner.

 

Here the voter since he/she has a single vote, votes against the party he hates most.

 

                    So, if a voter hates Congress he will vote against the Congress for a party which is perceived to most likely win against Congress like BJP, SP etc. And if a voter hates BJP, he will vote against the BJP for a arty which is perceived to most likely win against BJP .

 

                    This results in the independents etc , parties who are new and not perceived to win , not getting enough votes. This system suppresses the new comers.

 

                    This problem is 800 years old and the solution is also 800 years old , that is preferential voting where each voter can give votes for one to five candidates in order of preference . This way the person can give vote to the person he likes most and also to the person who is perceived to win against the person / party he hates most. Thus, in this system , the independents and the new comers have increased probability of winning.

 

Please see chapter 40 , www.righttorecall.info/301.pdf  for details of preferential voting

 

F. Issue of reservation to minorities:

 

                    Please note that the benefits of reservation go to only top 1% of the the caste, religion getting the benefits of reservation. Since the jobs or seats are limited, the poorest of those minorities , who do not have the needed connections or money , do not get the benefit of reservation.

 

Then why do politicians give reservation promises?

 

                    Because they want to form nexuses with the elite of those minorities. The politicians will ensure that the elite of the minorities get the reservation benefits and in turn these elite who have influence amongst media will give the politicians favorable media coverage or the politicians might get cash or other favors. This is the case in most of the cases of said muslim vote-bank.

 

                    Also, the elite who get reservation benefits can campaign for the favorable image amongst the non-elite of that caste/class/area . In our country, the non-elite very much depend upon the elite for every day needs. Once TCP, RTR over CM, PM, MPs, MLAs , judges , officials , Jury system etc come , the non-elite will no longer be depending on the elite.

 

If someone is really interested in reducing reservation and that too by the approval of the poor SC/ST etc. , please see chapter 36 of www.righttorecall.info/301.pdf